Re: Advanced audio editing for multicam projects (Ronnie?)

Advanced audio editing for multicam projects (Ronnie?) (February 13, 2018 04:32AM) Videot
I saw Ronnie comment recently on how audio mixing has improved in FCP X when doing multicam projects. I'd love to know if there are tutorials or walk-throughs on this topic, because that's one of those things that keeps me still occasionally pulling out FCP 7 for a project.

My common workflow issue in this arena:

Multiple cameras of a live fine arts production like an orchestra or choir concert (remember, I work at a school). All of these have merely open-mic audio of the event.

I have a Tascam audio recorder which captures four discrete channels of audio: two ambient and two line feeds from the board. These are each recorded to their own AIFF files.

When I dump those four audio tracks and the three independent cameras into a multicam project, my only choice appears to be choosing one of my line feeds as the unswitched audio for the multicam event.

I'd LOVE to be able to mix my four "clean" channels from the Tasam into the soundtrack for the video, but I can't ever seem to pick more than one audio source to be the main audio for my multicam edit.

For my most recent project, because it was very short, I decided to just bring those four channels into Logic and mix them to a stereo track that I synced up with the multicam... but that was cumbersome, especially since I'm new to Logic. It took me forever to even export my mix (finally just sent it to iTunes because I couldn't find any other way to export a stereo copy of the four tracks I'd mixed).

So if there's a better way to do this, I'm all ears!

As always, sincere thanks in advance.

— Mike
Re: Advanced audio editing for multicam projects (Ronnie?) (February 15, 2018 11:30AM) VidGreg
Hi Mike
I'm not Ronny, what a wonderful and helpful person he is, but here is my take.
Just starting to use the latest versions of FCPX and LPX; both now 10.4, but I have been a live sound engineer for over 40 years and been doing videos for around 30.
The improvements in both programs are pretty amazing. I wonder if you can't now do all of your audio editing and sweetening inside of FCPX. Big improvements in the last few versions. Hard to give advice without knowing or seeing the media and project. But here's my 2 cents worth.
The key to good audio both inside FCPX and to exporting to LPX is the use of "Roles" and "Subroles" or components. The actual transfer to LPX and back again is in using "Export as XML", not iTunes.
Roles and XML has been vastly revamped and made better. Earlier versions had some real issues and you really needed to use a 3rd party program like XtoPro to bring a project into Logic and retain all your data structure. Now mostly not needed. Can't speak for Ronny, but this may be what he meant.

Making lots of assumptions from what you posted, I might make the Multicam clips, select the best audio "track" clip as the monitoring angle, sync to that, make all my angle selections, cuts and get the final shot assembly done, assign roles and sub-roles to all audio, change the audio to dual mono (not stereo) in the inspector. Make a duplicate of your project for security, Now you can either create a new compound clip of all clips, select all, new compound clip, then export XML. You can export only audio or both video and audio to folder or desktop. Then open LPX and under file, open audio file and import your project with or without movie. Best to select the movie sample rate, typically 4800. This should preserve each role/subrole as a separate track. Now you can work on it in LPX. You can import the movie for a visual aid if needed. Export back out and import to your project in FCPX.

Or you can just work on audio inside of FCPX. Once you have a compound clip in the timeline, you can double click the clip expanding the clip showing the "Roles" disclosure triangle for sub-roles, then in the "Inspector" turn off and on the various audio, adjust volume, apply effects like EQ, compressor, etc… to each Role or sub-role(component). The Timeline Index is definitely your friend here for organizing. Not a bad idea to color code your various roles. Here "lanes" are the closest you come to "tracks" in FCPX.
Not sure about your project, but this may be fine for your workflow. Double clicking on the audio meter in small info window will expand the meters so you can check the levels. The range tool (letter "r") allows you to quickly select a range and adjust the levels while adding multiple keyframes to the selected range. Makes boosting or attenuating sound fast. Really wish Apple would include a Mixer or allow the use of the LPX remote app as a directly linked plugin/extension.

OK, some resources.

Ripple Training…
Lots of good info including their free intros to FCPX 10.4 and 10.3 so recommend to watch the series.
This one is a little old but good for organizing roles… []
Newer Under 5 for working with Logic… []
They also have vids on Logic itself.

Learning Logic I like the series by MusicTechHelpGuy. Josh has multiple good videos, many are based on LPX 10.2, but still I think some of the best on YouTube. He has newer vids on the latest versions so check out his channel…

Well Mike best of luck to you. Just gets you started, happy editing.
Hope this Helps, Greg
Re: Advanced audio editing for multicam projects (Ronnie?) (February 23, 2018 03:45AM) Videot
Thank you, sir!

Great bit of reading there — much to think about. I appreciate the input!

— Mike
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